Eleanor Greystoke has an Uncertain flag, citing an old book with an old Eure pedigree that makes her Ralph Greystoke's daughter. male line descendants of Edward III via John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and Henry Somerset, 5th Duke of Beaufort (17441803) are U152 xL2,Z36,Z56,M126,M160,Z192. Elizabeth is the daughter ofJohn Mansfield Esq, MP[confident] Agnes is the daughter ofAnne (Greystoke) Bigod[unknownconfidence] Mary is the daughter ofJohn Sydenham MP[unknownconfidence] FYI: we've also been dinged before that Scottish wives generally didn't take their husbands last names until very recently. Welcome to Geni, home of the world's largest family tree. 8. I want to give this some time and thought as to the proper way to present this WikItree. Nathaniel is the son of Elizabeth (Savage) White [unknown confidence] 11. 13. and Portsmouth, Rhode Island III:243, Alsop, George, of Milford, Connecticut I: 118, Alsop, Timothy, of New Haven, Connecticut I:188, Baldwin, Elizabeth (Alsop), of Milford, Connecticut I: 118, Batt, Anne (Baynton), of Boston, Massachusetts I: 267; I: 276, Batt, Christopher, of Boston, Massachusetts I: 267, Bolles, Joseph, of Winter Harbor and Wells, Maine I: 430, Bressey, Thomas, of New Haven, Connecticut I: 527, Bromfield, Edward, of Boston, Massachusetts I: 569, Browne, Nathaniel, of Hartford & Middletown, Connecticut, & Springfield, Massachusetts IV:631, Bruen, Obadiah, of Marshfield and Gloucester, Mass., and New London, Connecticut I:586, Bulkeley, Jane (Allen), wife of Rev. It is well worth the time to search this book if you cant find your ancestor in Richardsons list above. She is my 10th great greandmother. Their relationship caused a constitutional crisis that ultimately led to Edwards abdication. This questionable line is the one I found for my paternal grandmother (this is the part of the trail that goes from colonial Massachusetts back to Edward III): 7. 10. Moses is the son ofMary Southard[confident] Patrick is the son ofPatrick James McKie[unknownconfidence] Thomas is the son ofThomas Southard[unknownconfidence], For Edward I already added his marriage record a while ago, he had a brother Thomas also, who was a witness at this marriage, and now I remember why the name sounded so familiar. 17. Apparently Joan was said to be daughter of John Harrington of Doncaster. WebEdward, the Black Prince (15 June 1330 8 June 1376), Duke of Cornwall, Prince of Wales. Well, Lumpkin-1 may need more sourcing; there's a comment: This poor woman had a child when she was 49 years old and three when she was 59. named Jean matching the House of Gordon but Douglas seems to imply they never were actually married or consummated the marriage; she supposedly m.Archibald Douglas but she was never described as the Countess of Angus; the DNB describes her as his mistress. 5. Edward is the son of Edward Sutton [unknown confidence] Ancestry charts of Diana Spencer and Catherine Middleton 14. For John to be the father of Joan, I think he'd need to have married again after his wife died in 1462. Frances Deighton is my gateway ancestor. Dorothy is the daughter of Mary (Fiennes) Fiens [unknown confidence]. When is Royal Gateway Ancestor label appropriate? Alice is the daughter ofRichard (Neville) de Neville KG[unknownconfidence] 1. Joan is the daughter of John Beaufort KG [unknown confidence], 16. William, of Weymouth, Massachusetts III: 270, Whiting, Elizabeth (Saint John), of Lynn, Massachusetts IV:535, Whittingham, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, Massachusetts II:9, Williams, Frances (Deighton), of Taunton, Massachusetts II: 412, Wilson, Elizabeth (Mansfield), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 530, Yale, Thomas, of New Haven, Connecticut V:439, Wentworth, Elder William, of Dover, New Hampshire I: 442, Royal Ancestry of Thomas Hussey of MD and Elizabeth (Hussey) Scott of MA notes by Nathan W. Murphy, MA, AG, FASG, Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent of Canada and the West Indies, Richardson, Douglas. 20. 10. King Edward III Family Tree (1312-1377) - Trees of Blue I'm going to update her profile and disconnect the Gordon(s). 2nd ed., (Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2011). * Humphrey married 2. BTW, Joe, RJ Horace, gets the credit for this line! 11. The final edition includes a total of 688 immigrants of Royal or noble descent. James is the son of Katherine Agnew [unknown confidence] Prove previously unrecognized gateway ancestors. Elizabeth is the daughter of John Savage [unknown confidence] Identify and correct problem areas in wikitree. He was an associate of English Colonizer Sir Ferdinando Gorges in a colonization scheme fo https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18700092/john-oxenbridge. Yes. Hi Joe, This has been a fascinating thread! Edward III is the 21th great grandfather of Rachael. Lora and Edward III are third cousins 21 times removed. But its not right. They also did us no favors by missing the Mayflower so they aren't researched by Pilgrim scholars. Unfortunately countless times in the past people would go from embellishing their family to outright publishing connections that were fantasy. This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. 13. Among his documented descendants are presidents (George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Quincy Adams, Zachary Taylor, both Roosevelts), authors (Jane Philippa is the daughter of Lionel (Plantagenet) of Antwerp KG 2nd ed., (Salt Lake City, Utah: Douglas Richardson, 2011), Richardson, Douglas. 10. 20. William is the son ofJohanna (Percy) Harris[unknownconfidence] Surprising -- I'm descended from Edward III, through the Skinners, Talcotts, and Hollisters of Connecticut. Conquest is the son ofEdward Wyatt[unknownconfidence] Daniel McKayEmigrant, born Kintyre (now called Tarbert), Argyll and Bute, Scotland, no parish. 3. and I believe my connection is a second bogus connection: it's via Martha Bliss, daughter of Thomas Bliss, married to Nicholas Ide. The most significant would be if John of Gaunt were not the son of Edward III which enemies suggested in his 17. Abraham is the son ofJohn Fitz III[unknownconfidence] 14. His da. Josh Widdicombe found he was related to Edward I. Some kings even made their illegitimate children their heirs when they did not procure any legitimate ones. WebBenjamin Greene III (1764-) Elizabeth Greene (1766-) Hannah Greene (1768-1850) Lucretia Greene (1771-1851) Sarah Greene (1773-) Anne Greene (1774-) H Rebecca Hamblin (1694-1750) Ruth Haynes (1639-) Sheriff Daniel Hubbard (1706-1741) Russell Hubbard (1732-) Lucretia Hubbard (1734-) Daniel Hubbard, Jr. (1736-) Elizabeth Hubbard (1738-1808) How millions don't know they're related to royalty - BBC News Im also desended from my great grandfather King John I of magna carta infamy. But finding the line that gets you there is the trick! I will get to all of these potential lines eventually. Iver is the son of Duncan McKay [unknown confidence], 3. I watched it on my DVR last night and it was so interesting I watched it twice. John, of Boston, Massachusetts IV: 299, Palgrave,[Dr. Richard, of Charlestown, Massachusetts I: 512, Palmes, Anne (Humphrey), of Swansea, Massachusetts V: 358, Pelham, Elizabeth (Bosvile), of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 224; V: 357, Pelham, Herbert, of Cambridge, Massachusetts I: 444; III: 224; V: 357, Pelham, Jemima (Waldegrave), of Cambridge, Massachusetts II: 12; V: 355, Pole (or Poole), Elizabeth, of Taunton, Massachusetts V: 60, Pole (or Poole), Jane (Greene), of Dorchester and Taunton, Massachusetts III: 11; V: 60, Pole (or Poole), William, of Dorchester and Taunton, Massachusetts V: 60, Pynchon, Amy (Wyllys), of Springfield, Massachusetts V: 432, Raynsford, Edward, of Boston, Massachusetts IV: 463, Saltonstall, Elizabeth (West), of Watertown, Massachusetts IV: 551; V: 357, Saltonstall, Muriel (Gurdon), of Ipswich, Massachusetts Ill: 183; IV: 551, Saltonstall, Sir Richard, Knt., of Watertown, Massachusetts IV:551, Scott, Katherine (Marbury), of Massachusetts and Rhode Island II: 147, Shepard, Margaret (Touteville), of Massachusetts II: 683, Sherman, Mary (Launce), of Watertown, Massachusetts III: 547, Skepper, Rev. Joe, Thank you for your comment, I am a newt and can't say that I understand it all. 23. She seems to have been adopted by an extra daughter, but that's not your line. 7. 6. Elizabeth is the daughter of Charles Somerset KG [confident] This one may be a very good line to followup on. Katherine is the daughter of Patrick Agnew [unknown confidence] In 1369, Queen Philip, beloved among the people and among the courtiers, died, to whose opinion the King Henry is the son of Elizabeth (Gallup) Stephens New England Gateway Ancestors of Proven Royal Descent. Descendants of Edward III - Wizard of Vegas Maud is the daughter of Thomas Clifford [confident] On my mum I'm stuck on her great grand parents William and Isabella Grant. I have not looked into this until I saw the post, so not surprising I do not recognize any names. John is the son of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG [unknown confidence], 17. Margaret Tudor (1489-1541) 4. 2023 BBC. 19. Herein are listed all the known descendants of Edward III for 12 generations. Regarding the Lake line, everything after Richard Lake is in error. [Private] is the daughter of Susannah Woods [confident] Katherine is the daughter ofAgnes Bigod[unknownconfidence] This trail tells us that Edward III is the 15th great grandfather of Daniel. Once you go even further back, a few thousand years or so, the genetics professor says there are even bigger patterns of common ancestry, not just within Britain, but shared between people living in different countries and continents. Lucy is the daughter of Anne (Heslarton) Buckton Patricia is the daughter of Bruce Hawkins Jr. [confident] The House of Gordon v. 2 has no mention of William Gordon's wife but does mention his grandson Alexander m. a da. Josiah Quinn Crowninshield Bradlee (1982-) 8. Duncan M'Kie-his son was born in Bute but he was born in Minnigaff "Kirkcudbrightshire", which is a historic part of Galloway, far away from Bute. 17. This trail tells us that Edward III is the, Thanks, that made my day! 8. George is the son ofAgnes (Stewart) Maxwell[unknownconfidence] It would also be nice if that app was a part of Wikitree as well. I had no inkling," she says. But I will: Charles Hansen. 9. Peter, of Concord, Massachusetts II:10, Burnham, Mary (Lawrence), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 552, Burrough, Nathaniel, of Calvert County, Maryland and Roxbury, Massachusetts II: 45, Carleton, Edward, of Rowley, Massachusetts II: 113, Carleton, Ellen (Newton), of Rowley, Massachusetts II: 113; IV: 249, Chauncy, Rev Charles, of Scituate and Plymouth, Massachusetts II: 133, Clarke, Jeremy (or Jeremiah), of Newport, Rhode Island II: 214, Cooke, Elizabeth (Haynes), of Cambridge, Massachusetts III:275, Coytmore, Thomas, of Charlestown, Massachusetts II: 347, Crowne, Agnes (Mackworth), of Boston, Massachusetts III: 687, Cudworth, Major James, of Scituate, Massachusetts II: 367, Davie, Humphrey, of Boston, Massachusetts and Hartford, Connecticut II: 4-06, Dudley, Katherine (Deighton), of Roxbury and Dedham, Massachusetts II: 412, II: 477, Dudley, Gov. Joan is the daughter of John (Plantagenet) of Gaunt KG John is the son ofAlice Harry[unknownconfidence] 16. 16. Thomas is the son ofRobert Constable I[unknownconfidence] The List of 17th Century New World Immigrants, Francois says in a 1733 notarial act that he is the son of Robert de Joyeuse, but offers no proof of it. WebUntil 1603, England and Scotland had separate monarchies, although royals of the two kingdoms frequently intermarried. 6. She says a genealogy study suggested that a child born in England in the middle of the 20th Century, who could trace their ancestry back to England in the early 13th Century, would have 80% of the population of the time in their family tree. Patrick is the son ofAndrew Agnew[unknownconfidence] It's just a question of degree.". Francois says in a 1733 notarial act that he is the son of Robert de Joyeuse, but offers no proof of it. Thomas is the son ofHenry Algernon Percy KG, KB[unknownconfidence] 22. Ann is the daughter of Edward Bagley [unknown confidence] Most people who can connect to a few other families on wikitree will have cousin relationships to basically everyone else on the main tree including royalty. It gets weird at this point - we have them having a da. Lynden Rodriguezcommented:I have one, Alice Harry-118, but she's not on the list, and her line may not have been developed enough. 7. King edward the 3rd is my 22nd great grandfather my dad has somthing to prove it too Hi Darrel, Wikitree does have a profile for Charlemagne, Thanks for the information Andrew it much appreciated. Elizabeth Mansfield has loads of ancestry. Robert is the son of Rachel Beauchamp [unknown confidence] Sir Richard and 1da. He has an extensive write-up by Anderson in the Great Migration Series. As you probably know, Col Hansen breaks the line in his article, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence both ways. Albert is the son of Charles Thomas Rigg [confident] Thomas is the son of Havisia (Neville) Heslarton 10. (Round 2), Edward III Project - Gateway ancestor - I think I have one, A possible gateway ancestor for Edward III project. And if someone has such a pathway, she says it's "fairly likely" they will bump into a royal relative. 13. 11. Charles is the son of Robert Rigg [confident] The origins ofCaptain Thomas Savageare not known from what I can tell and needs to be disconnected from the Savage of Rock Savage line. 5. This would be someone rich, famous or perhaps infamous enough to be well documented and provide a trail for a family historian. Genealogy of the Wheatley or Wheatleigh family. John is the son ofEdward (Plantagenet) of England[confident]. Born 23 Mar 1732 in Ivy Mills, Concord Township, Delaware, Pennsylvania. John is the son ofWilliam Knox[unknownconfidence] It was living descendants of one of his sisters that enabled researchers to use DNA to help identify the bones of Richard III found in Leicester. I was able to find a verifiable fact in it . Nearly every person living the 21st century who has English, Irish, Scots, or Welsh ancestry is very likely descended from King Edward III (1312-1377). Mary, Sir John Fitz(Fitz-23) was the son and heir of John Fitz MP, he m. Bridget Courtney the da. And this is the line for my mother (this one starts in colonial Connecticut): 8. The Baronial Order of Magna Charta (BOMC) keeps its own list of Gateway ancestors that descend from the barons who forced King John of England to sign the document at Runnymede on 15 Jun 1215. We need some help in France to answer the nagging questions! Thomas is the son of Thomas Savage [confident] 15. Will see if perhaps they moved around a bit and will check for more sources this weekend, And for anyone who isinterested (perhaps there's something there about or for the Southwarts as well so we can all dig trough them ;) : Leyden Documents Relating to the Pilgrim Fahters # Permission to reside at Leyden and betrothal records together with parallel documents from the Amsterdam archivesFascimile, transcript translation and annotiations by Dr. D. Plooij of Leyden and Dr. J. Rendel Harris of Manchester . 12. One of those relationships is a possible direct relationship to Edward I. I did find some grandfathers I didn't know about. The table should be updated - Stewart-1869 and Stewart-1199 were merged already and I've eliminated Janet (maybe they should have stayed separate?) Katherine is the daughter of Robert Gordon [unknown confidence] I agree that this particular family lacks good evidence but they aren't as suspect as some of these other lines we can easily disprove. Richard I is the son ofJoan (Beaufort) de Neville LG[confident] Younger gentry sons who received no inheritance who didn't become merchants or other professionals and moved away would take over the copyhold of a farm and/or worked as household servants, which would explain a baptism record for Clifton/Rock Savage. I have this guy - can I help be the Disconnectrix? Genealogist: Almost Everyone on Earth Descended From Royalty Issue of Edward III of England - Wikipedia I also connect to this tree (which is why I was up on Mary Fienes!) Summarizingthis blog post about hisda. Are Hugh Jones and others "Gateway" ancestors? Via Ann Bagley, wife of William Brinton, wealthy Quakers. WebGeorge Washington (descendant of Edward III of England) Thomas Jefferson (descendant of Edward III of England) James Madison (descendant of Edward I of England) James Monroe (descendant of Edward III of England) 9. Daniel is the son of Iver McKay [uncertain] 11. Hello! The idea of royalty is wrapped in ideas of being special and apart - but Prof King says the genetic reality is that we're all the product of centuries of mixing and merging, migration, social rises and falls, interrelated in many ways. 10 & 11 are completely unsourced, and I'd argue you need better sources for all 5 people. Kristina is the daughter ofMartha Eva (Henry) Voorhees[confident] Thomas is the son ofThomas Fiennes KB[unknownconfidence] Jane is the daughter ofKatherine Stillington[unknownconfidence] 8. 3. This list currently is 70 individuals representing 55 different families. "I do know people who have been rocked by finding something like that. Duncan is the son of Duncan M'Kie [unknown confidence] I have Charlemagne many times. What this really shows, according to genealogy experts, is that if you look back far enough a surprisingly high number of people will find a royal ancestor. The BBC is not responsible for the content of external sites. He's interesting historically, but he's not really me. Prof King, a presenter on Rev. Josh Widdicombe discovered he was a descendant of Edward I, who died more than 700 years ago. 1. Join Geni to explore your genealogy and family history in the World's Largest Family Tree. John is the son of Katherine (Peck) Lake Edward III Project: Gateway Ancestors - do you have one? Bridget is the daughter ofWalter Abraham Fitts[unknownconfidence] 15. 9. Louise Patten Baker (1877-1967) 2. Agnes is the daughter ofJohn Douglas[unknownconfidence] Thanks for taking a look at this one, as well! Marcus is the son ofMargaret (Maxwell) Knox[unknownconfidence] 7. Bea - if you could also look into Edward Southworth, Thomas' supposed younger brother and his sons Constant and Thomas I'd appreciate it! Colin is the son of Archibald (Campbell) fourth Earl of Argyll [unknown confidence] 8. The line must be very well documented. Mary is the daughter of Catherine (Campbell) MacGregor [unknown confidence] 12. 8. John is the son ofThomas Southworth[unknownconfidence] 17. 6. Knox seems to be my connection to almost any famous, important, or royal type person! Arthur, Prince of Wales (1486-1502) 3. Peter Bulkeley, of Concord, Massachusetts I: 111; II: 10, Bulkeley, Grace (Chetwode), of Concord, Massachusetts II: 10, Bulkeley, Rev. But genealogists say it's much more likely than people expect, Genetics professor Turi King says we are all much more interrelated than might be recognised, Edward I could have a descendant in any street, with millions of his family alive now, Else Churchill found a surprise in her own DNA results, The secret mine that hid the Nazis' stolen treasure. Gender: Female. Mary White . Below is a list of 17th century new world immigrants with a recognized descent fromEdward III, king of England. 18. Beth is the daughter of Steve Glasscock [unknown confidence] Edward is the son ofHawte Wyatt[confident] It didn't change her sense of family relationships, and it also didn't dampen her enthusiasm for the detective work of genealogy. I thinkJohn Fitz III(Fitz-11) needs his generational qualifier removed and hisparents removed unless there's an objection; I've already updated Sir Fitz (Fitz-23)'s parents. 21. Patrick is the son ofWilliam Bruce[unknownconfidence] What helps is this was a really close community they all are witnessingeachothers weddings or baptisms, so that's also how we know and can figure out the relations between them all. Create a list of proven gateway ancestors as a tool for future research. He claims to have proved that this John couldn't be the ancestor of the Copleys of Doncaster, who are generally said to have inherited his property. 12. Magna Carta Ancestry, 4 vols. Alleged Royal Ancestry of Edward Southworth, Space:Gateway_Descendants_from_Edward_III, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Carolingian-77, https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Project:Edward_III_descents_past_gen_5, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:A_table_of_descendants_of_Edward_III_-_002, https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Project:Edward_III_descents_past_gen_5#King_Henry_IV_table, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Project:A_table_of_descendants_of_Edward_III, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Southard-61, : Leyden Documents Relating to the Pilgrim Fahter. John is the son of Richard Lake It would also be nice if that app was a part of Wikitree as well. I guess were related on many levels! Because I match bigod. John is the son of Edward (Plantagenet) of England [confident] Humphrey Bogart (1899-1957) 6. John is the son of Thomas Savage [unknown confidence] However, Joe put a comment in the profile that based on the picture with the correct arms of Savage of Rock Savage (''six lions sable'') as well as on his tombstone, he still might be closely connected through one of the younger brothers of Sir Thomas Savage. Samuel Adam (McKay) McCoyWhy did his surname spelling change? I think there is a legitimate issue with the connection between Francois de Joyeuse and Robert de Joyeuse. I will let you know though there a bunch of these I need to check out now. Of the 70 individuals, 32 settled in theSouthern Colonies, 27 in theNew England Colonies, and 11 were part of the Quaker migration to theMiddle Colonies. 14. Ironically, Every persona in the Magna Carta drama (all Surety Barrons and The King John), are my great grandfathers! 14. Edward 15. 21. Duncan is the son ofDuncan M'Kie[unknownconfidence] Roberts, Gary Boyd. Obediah is the son ofSarah (Flanders) Clement[unknownconfidence] Patrick is the son ofJames McKie[unknownconfidence] Prof King, a presenter on BBC Two's DNA Family Secrets, says that it's often not understood how much family trees are likely to overlap when you go back so many generations. And to illustrate the point, he's also another descendant of Edward I. 11. 12. Thank you for doing this Joe and Andrew and others. Richard III 1 Descendants of Edward III of England; 2 Main line; 3 Isabella; 4 Lionel of Antwerp - Mortimer; 5 John of Gaunt. Eaton, Mabel same, Henchman, Sarah (Woodward), of Boston, Massachusetts V: 395, Hough, Elizabeth (Bulkeley), of Cambridge and Boston, Massachusetts II:9, Howell, Edward, Gent., of Boston & Lynn, Massachusetts; Southampton, Long Island III: 348, Hubbard, Judith (Knapp), of Ipswich, Massachusetts III: 352, Hutchinson, Anne (Marbury), of Boston, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and New York II: 147, Hutchinson, Katherine (Hamby), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 147; III: 195, Keayne, Anne (Mansfield), of Boston, Massachusetts II:530, Lewis, Elizabeth (Marshall), of Maine IV: 91, Lowell, Percival, Gent., of Newbury, Massachusetts III: 648, Ludlow, Roger, Esq., of Dorchester, Massachusetts; Windsor and Fairfield, Connecticut III: 667, Lugg, Jane (Deighton), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 412, Lynde, Simon, of Boston, Massachusetts III: 683, Mansfield, John, of Charlestown, Massachusetts II:530, Manwaring, Oliver, of New London, Connecticut IV:28, Maverick, Mary (Gye), of Dorchester, Massachusetts III: 184, Mellowes, Martha (Bulkeley), of Charlestown, Massachusetts II:9, Miles, Anne (Humphrey), of Swansea, Massachusetts V: 358, More, Richard, of Plymouth and Salem, Massachusetts, Negus, Jane (Deighton), of Boston, Massachusetts II: 412, Nelson, John, of Boston, Massachusetts V: 140, Nelson, Capt. In 1337, Edward created the Duchy of Cornwall to provide the heir to the throne with an income independent of the sovereign or the state. Lineage societies maintain their own lists based on accepted membership applications. Meghan Markle Actually Has Royal Ancestors

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